For those that care...(Miami related)

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Originally Posted by Biggin

the three finalists for the Miami job are reportedly;

Randy Edsall (UConn coach)
Al Golden (Temple coach)
Marc Trestman (Montreal Allouetes coach)

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Trestman's leading, too.

If Hocutt hires one of those 3, and they don't work out, then he's probably officially signed his death warrant as Miami AD. He'll be the next guy shown the door, because Shalala has distanced herself from this coaching search by responding to e-mails in favor of Leach by saying "I don't do the hiring, our AD does".

Any one of those 3 would be terrible hires. Amongst the names mentioned for the Miami job, I don't see a good hire out there. The only 2 I could live with honestly are Malzahn or Leach. I don't like these "final 3" nor Tuberville.

Major donors won't really be on board, I'm sure--and I think you'll see a rash of people in my fanbase bracket boycotting the program until they get this right and listen to us.

Malzahan is the new Vandy coach, he is out of the race for the UM coach.

Im hearing that Trestman is bout a done deal. He did a wonderful job in Montreal, maybe he turns Miami around.

ESPN text just reported that Al Golden was offered the job.

I'm hearing all kinds of stuff saying that Golden has accepted. He was Pitt's main finalist too.

I'm still not sold on him at all. I'll wait to go into total meltdown until I hear who the coordinators are.

Here ya go...
Report: Temple coach Al Golden accepts offer from Miami (Fla.) - Campus Rivalry: College Football & Basketball News, Recruiting, Game Picks, and More - USATODAY.com


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Recommend Miami (Fla.) is ready to start a new Golden era for its football team. Temple's Al Golden has accepted an offer to become the next Hurricanes football coach, according to the Miami Herald.


Al Golden led Temple to a 8-4 record in 2010, but the Owls did not get invited to a bowl game.CAPTIONBy Howard Smith, US PresswireGolden, 41, led the Owls to a 8-4 record this season, but the Owls were not invited to a bowl game. This year's success comes after Temple went 9-4 in 2009 and played in the EagleBank Bowl, the first postseason game for the school since 1979.

The former Penn State player and assistant was seen as a possible successor to Joe Paterno. Golden also spent five seasons as Virginia defensive coordinator before taking the Temple job in 2006.

Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman, Connecticut coach Randy Edsall and Texas Tech coach Tommy Tuberville were reportedly other finalists for the job.

John Gruden will not coach here either, Florida gets Muschamp, Vandy gets Malzhan, and the Canes get Al Sharpton, Wow that's a big hire. My how the mighty have fallen. Maybe he can turn Miami around like Temple. For Miami fans it has got to be a punch in the gut. Looks like they could have gotten some quality people to interview but I guess not. The old U ain't what it used to be.

Miami made a 10.0 quality Olympic splash with this hire. Sometimes those surprise you though in the long term. I just wonder if Golden is bringing his really big switch with him?

Couldn't happen to a better group imo. When you run off a sucessful coach that graduates kids you deserve all you get.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

Couldn't happen to a better group imo. When you run off a sucessful coach that graduates kids you deserve all you get.

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Educating and graduating your kids is a major part of college football. Shannon was great at that. So was Coker. Both were really good father figures and role models.

BUT--you're delusional if you think that winning, especially on the BCS level, doesn't have a major place too. Especially when that place is Miami which has had a winning tradition for the better part of the past 30 years. When you can't do what you're hired to do--which is win titles, then you're gonna get run off. Not because of the good stuff above, but because the bottom line is you have to win.

What is this success you speak of?

Butch Davis graduated players, Larry Coker graduated players. Al Golden graduates players. Temple's apr has made a dramatic jump.

Just because a kid gets a diploma, it doesnt make them intelligent or even worthy of graduating. Football players go to D1 schools to play football. Most D1 players arent cut out to be successful in the professional world. Just because they "graduated" doesnt mean they really "graduated".Many of them still cant write a complete sentence and Im sure they will likely *wink* graduate *wink* All of that is a bunch of bullchit.

Just like the dude from FSU that had an IQ of 60 who graduated and now looks after old folks. A undergraduate diploma isnt what it used to be for a normal student and it **** sure isnt much for a student athlete.

And that boys and girls is the problem with DI athletics. People that have no affiliation with the school care more about winning, as they should, than graduation. The sad thing is, due to the money involved the school's listen to these "fans". The NCAA needs to shut down and allow the BCS conferences to turn into what they are, semi-pro sports.

This is the wildest thread I've ever read. Something is posted, a reply is sent, and then the subject goes in a different direction.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

And that boys and girls is the problem with DI athletics. People that have no affiliation with the school care more about winning, as they should, than graduation. The sad thing is, due to the money involved the school's listen to these "fans". The NCAA needs to shut down and allow the BCS conferences to turn into what they are, semi-pro sports.

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Yes, let's deny the thousands and thousands of college kids who get degrees every year from playing sports that opportunity.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

And that boys and girls is the problem with DI athletics. People that have no affiliation with the school care more about winning, as they should, than graduation. The sad thing is, due to the money involved the school's listen to these "fans". The NCAA needs to shut down and allow the BCS conferences to turn into what they are, semi-pro sports.

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It's a noble undertaking you're suggesting Double D, but sadly, we can't all be NAIA level where the kids have a better chance of winning the lottery than going pro in the sport they participate in while in school.

I guess those poor kids at Maryland don't deserve an education since all they did was follow Gary Williams' pleas to come and have 4 years of an informal tryout for the NBA. How corrupt and sad for those guys that they were duped in that fashion.

This is all very self-righteous of you, but the reality is there's nothing wrong with a kid playing D1 level football to get to the pros first and get an education second. When you're one of the best at what you do, you want to hurry up and start doing it as a professional ASAP. Nothing wrong with that.

What does Maryland basketball have to do with your original post about a coach for Miami football??

Back on track here, but I just watched Golden's first presser as Miami HC. I was impressed. He said all the right things.

1) He said that the kids need to realize that just because you wear the U doesn't guarantee you championships, and he's going to make sure they do.

2) He said that his #1 priority as HC at Miami was to win national titles...contrary to what some people on this board said. He said from day one, that goes up on the board in the locker room. He said he definitely wants to compete at a high level in the ACC, but that the national title was indeed the ultimate goal from the get-go.

3) He reached out to Florida HS coaches, saying it was an honor to be their peer in the coaching profession (instead of talking down to them like Shannon would at times do). He assured them that he would do right by them and their kids--they would take care of them should they choose to come to UM, and would go out of his way to clinic with them to make their programs better.

4) He implored ex-players to come back to the program, to be on the sidelines during games, no questions asked. He invited them to come to every practice they could make, and to come back and let the current players know what it takes to win and win big. He did this several times throughout the presser.

5) Most impressive moment: A reporter asked the question (paraphrasing) "You went through as a candidate for the jobs at UCLA, Cincy, and Tennessee. You've been rumored to be the defacto coach in waiting at Penn State once Joe Pa retires. So, at this stage in your career...Why Miami? Why now?"

His response (laughing) "Are you kidding me? Really?"

He talks the talk. I want to see a) the staff, b) the finish to the 2011 class, and c) spring ball. After all of that, I will be able to better guage how well he can back up this tough, empassioned talk I saw this evening at the presser.

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What does Maryland basketball have to do with your original post about a coach for Miami football??

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He was talking about how big of a sham D1 sports is and how it's just semi-pro anyways, even though he's a loyal follower of Terps bball. Just trying to frame the argument to his main following to see how he feels about it.

I have no problem with them going and getting degrees. The problem to me is when an otherwise fine institution (Miami) sells out its academic reputation for football wins. Gary runs a clean program, he stays. Shannon runs a clean program, they would rather cheat and win. Major D1 athletics, including Maryland is a joke. You guys are getting played, and the NCAA is laughing at you guys all the way to the bank.

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

He was talking about how big of a sham D1 sports is and how it's just semi-pro anyways, even though he's a loyal follower of Terps bball. Just trying to frame the argument to his main following to see how he feels about it.

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I really don't understand your reasoning,, if there was an argument, I didn't notice. I just don't understand a lot of your postings.

If/when you get something on him he resorts to trying to hurt the original poster and/or upset the poster into posting irrationally so he can go boom, I got ya! Tis what it is.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

I have no problem with them going and getting degrees. The problem to me is when an otherwise fine institution (Miami) sells out its academic reputation for football wins. Gary runs a clean program, he stays. Shannon runs a clean program, they would rather cheat and win. Major D1 athletics, including Maryland is a joke. You guys are getting played, and the NCAA is laughing at you guys all the way to the bank.

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The only problem with that is that since the AFCA started tracking ARP rates amongst D1 schools, Temple under Al Golden made the biggest single turnaround in the stat's history.

But yeah, we're gonna cheat with him to get to win. That's all we do. I thought you'd be smarter than to jog out the Thug U reference, but oh well.

Shannon's not the martyr because Miami and it's fans don't care about graduating players, he's gone because he couldn't win. And if Gary Williams sucked it up just bad enough to get canned, I don't think you'd be trotting out the "Maryland gets what it deserves for firing a guy who graduates players" card. You'd be celebrating his career and gasping if anyone dared question Maryland's administration's reasons for canning him. You're a homer. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

If/when you get something on him he resorts to trying to hurt the original poster and/or upset the poster into posting irrationally so he can go boom, I got ya! Tis what it is.

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Pot, meet kettle.

It isn't my fault you said Miami fired Shannon so they could cheat to win, only to ignore the fact that Golden's track record shows without question that he does indeed care about academics.

Get your facts right next time and I won't have to correct you.

Meet Al Golden, UM's new coach - Sports Breaking News - MiamiHerald.com

Yep...we really hired a cheater like Double D said. His mother's an Italian immigrant...maybe he's in the mob? *gasp*

I'm glad the rest of the board possesses reading comprehension skills.

Hey--you're the one who said we fired Shannon so we could cheat and win. You're 100% right like you thought...nay...knew you were Double D. Golden is such a cheater.

HINT: A simple "my bad, I was wrong on this one and spoke before I knew what I was talking about" would end me dogging you out on this one.

HINT: A simple, I have to be right, I'm a baby with Miami Football, would make you look a lot better on this one. I and everyone else who read this thread knows I never said Golden cheats. Of course, you can try to twist words and imply things if you life. Feel free to carry on. This is the second time in this thread alone where you have gone bananas, and it's all because of Miami.

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

It's a noble undertaking you're suggesting Double D, but sadly, we can't all be NAIA level where the kids have a better chance of winning the lottery than going pro in the sport they participate in while in school.[/b]

I guess those poor kids at Maryland don't deserve an education since all they did was follow Gary Williams' pleas to come and have 4 years of an informal tryout for the NBA. How corrupt and sad for those guys that they were duped in that fashion.

This is all very self-righteous of you, but the reality is there's nothing wrong with a kid playing D1 level football to get to the pros first and get an education second. When you're one of the best at what you do, you want to hurry up and start doing it as a professional ASAP. Nothing wrong with that.

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thats pretty low, taking a shot at NAIA schools. but since you are totally wrong about that, we can let it slide.
Sure, more D1 athletes play in the NFL than NAIA kids, but its foolish to say stuff like that when you **** well know how many small college kids are in the NFL and NBA. The odds of winning the lottery are in the hundreds of millions. 4-5 NAIA or Div. III kids make the NFL every year, same with the NBA.

i guess Jerry Rice should have just given up, he didnt get a big time D1 offer. if he followed your logic, that he had a better chance of winning the lottery, maybe he never gave it his all and we lose out on seeing the greatest WR (and greatest football player of the modern era IMO).

I dont agree with pvfan's point, I believe that once you start punishing schools for trying to win you punish everybody, including regular students.
You think Alabama could afford all the nice equipment and stuff without a football team that generates serious revenue?
It comes down to the individual kid. Not all 5* recruits are just in college to waste time til the NFL comes calling. Kids like Myron Rolle (oxford), Greg McElroy (Rhodes scholar), etc... all come to college to play and to learn.
So why punish the 30-40% of athletes who really want an education because the rest dont? The NCAA has a fine setup. Kids have to stay eligible, they have to accumulate credits, etc....
Sure they are some that abuse the system and some coaches who abuse the system to get those kids in school and keep those eligible, but once you get rid of the education, you'll start seeing homeless former NFL players, etc... These kids who stay four years and graduate work hard to get there, on and off the field. Im sorry that some of us realize that yes, the big time D1 level is FULL of cheating, ethical dilemmas, abuses of the system, etc... but that kids are in school, taking classes, at least keeping the appearance of being a student.

For every one Cam Newton, there are 100 Greg McElroy's, kids who want to graduate and do more than play football.

and after reading this thread, can we all agree that im not always the most obnoxious poster on here? lol

If you think the NCAA has a fine setup you are crazier than I thought you were. Football and basketball at the BCS schools make the NCAA what it is, a money hungry organization that seeks to do nothing more than prostitute roughly 10,000 kids. The kids see it so they cheat the system knowing the NCAA will do nothing because they are their cash cow. All the while, people like Biggin and Cane who have nothing more invested into the actual university than some subscription on a rivals forum at the mouth over the signing of an 18 year old African American youth. I've said many times I'm in the minority on this and I know that. However, there is no way you will ever get me to come out and say this is a great system that we should all love and enjoy.

so what do you suggest doing? you act as if every student at every school has no interest whatsoever in academics. thats simply not true.
There are thousands and thousands of kids every year that play D1 football; only 255 get drafted.

you act as if the kids get nothing in return. Free schooling, free boarding, stipends, a DEGREE if they choose, all the a$s they can get it, tons of support from fans and boosters, etc....
Plus the fact that these kids who choose to go to big time schools have a great shot of making the NFL. Its not as if kids who choose to go to Texas or Oregon get the raw end of the deal; they get all the above perks plus the best opportunity to make it to the next level.

the NCAA is far from perfect, but the system is not terrible.


and nothing more invested than a couple dollars to Rivals (which is BS anyway, Rivals gives nothing to the schools. Buying merchandise from the university, going to games, straight donations, etc.. all donate to the schools) is the big crock of ****.

if you really believe all I have invested in Bama's success is a few dollars you are the crazy one.
Im more emotionally invested in the success of Alabama than most are about professional teams. During the fall, my live almost revolves around Alabama football. You can call it sad, say it means nothing because I did not attend UA, but to me, and millions of people across the country, the bond between a college team and a fan means more than any dollar amount or the bond between a fan and a pro team.

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Im more emotionally invested in the success of Alabama than most are about professional teams. During the fall, my live almost revolves around Alabama football. You can call it sad, say it means nothing because I did not attend UA, but to me, and millions of people across the country, the bond between a college team and a fan means more than any dollar amount or the bond between a fan and a pro team.

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The NCAA has you right where they want you.

FWIW, I only said the major BCS schools for football and basketball are like this. Most NCAA schools even at the DI level are perfectly fine. The word student athlete and the SEC when it comes to football and basketball should never be mentioned though.

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The NCAA has you right where they want you.

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So when are you burning all of those Maryland jerseys, hats, and other apparel you own in protest of the Nazi-double-A?

You're part of the "problem" that you're snobbishly looking down your nose at me, Biggin, and everyone else who is a D1 college sports fan. Quit being the epitome of a hypocrite.

I've got mine ready, how about you?


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Originally Posted by pvfan

The NCAA has you right where they want you.

FWIW, I only said the major BCS schools for football and basketball are like this. Most NCAA schools even at the DI level are perfectly fine. The word student athlete and the SEC when it comes to football and basketball should never be mentioned though.

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Oh so I guess Greg McElroy just bought his way to a Rhodes scholar.
and Barrett Jones, with a 4.0 GPA
or UGA punter and Ray Guy winner Drew Butler, who is a Presidential Scholar at UGA
and guys like Myron Rolle in the ACC, who went to OXFORD and wants to be a neuro-surgeon, '
or Heath Shuler, who played in the SEC and is now a politician.
I could go on forever, thats just off top of my head.

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or UGA punter and Ray Guy winner Drew Butler, who is a Presidential Scholar at UGA

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Who considers a punter an athlete?

I've heard both sides of this argument a lot in the time I've worked in college athletics, so I'll put my .02 in

first off, there's no easy way to put it, but some kids just don't belong in college...white, black, asian, hispanic, etc....it's not a race issue...some kids just aren't ready either physically, mentally or socially to be in a college environment

also, colleges make millions of dollars off of these athletes every single year...jersey sales, poster sales, all kinds of memorabilia...not to mention gate sales and dinners thrown where boosters pay money to have dinner and mingle with the athletes

at the same time, let's be real...the athletes do get some payment and also receive other benefits

they get paid in...

Room
Board
Tuition
Fees
Books
Stipends when on-campus dining is closed (~$50 per week)
clothes (by the time they leave, they will receive above $10,000 in clothes alone)
bags and gear (book bags, traveling bags, laundry bags, etc)
free meals twice per week (amazing meals that are usually catered by local restaurants)

and different benefits such as...

priority class scheduling
parking advantages
living advantages
social advantages (lots of groupies out there)
an academic support staff catered to helping them graduate

by the same token, there's lots of disadvantages as well...

you live in a fishbowl, everything you do is seen and judged
many teachers stereotype athletes and grade accordingly
jealousy among some groups of regular students
can't trust too many people outside your inner circle b/c you never know who is trying to make a buck
the hours upon hours spent in the gym or on the field, practicing or training (when you put together all the hours spent training/practicing, it is equivalent to working just below a full-time job AND going to school)


so with that information in mind, let me get to how I propose we approach the "pay for play" conundrum...

let me preface by saying I am only going to attack college basketball, because it's the sport I am most familiar with...many of the same principles can apply to the other sports but will need to be looked at according to the different needs and expectations of the sports

(1) the NBA needs to allow kids to enter the NBA Draft directly out of high school...if we can ship kids at 18 to fight our battles overseas, you cannot tell me that an 18-year old can't be prepared to play in the NBA

(2) if a kid decided to go to the NBA and does not get drafted in the first round (meaning he has no guaranteed contract) he should be allowed to choose a school to attend....however he would have to sit out the first semester of play (deterring fringe high schoolers from entering the draft only to check their status)

(3) once enrolled in college, a player must stay 2 years AND pass enough credits to earn an associate's degree...making it a little easier on the athlete should he be sidelined due to injury early in his career

(4) early entrants into the NBA draft after their 2nd year should not effect the school's APR, if and only if, the player met enough credits to obtain an associate's degree

(5) over the course of his collegiate career, if the school chooses to use the athlete's image, likeness or playing number as a means to sell any product, the athlete should get a % of each sale

(6) all Universities will have a cap placed on how many different jersey numbers can be used in a given year...my proposal is 3...this would keep bigger schools with lots of money from having a recruiting advantage by promising x amount of players to have their jersey made by the school, thus promising money on that sale

(7) the athlete can not touch any of the money made from the sale of any product until he has earned his degree

(8) if a player enters the draft, leaves a school to transfer, is kicked out because of school violation(s), or simply quits...he forfeits his right to any money earned through the sale of any product that used his likeness...if someone leaves early for the draft, they obviously don't need the money...and if they leave the school for any other reason, it is treated like a breach-of-contract and all money earned is void

(9) if a player graduates ahead of the scheduled 4 years, an extra $X is added to the final amount he will be paid at the end of his collegiate career

(10) if a player finishes a semester above a 3.5 GPA (Dean's List) an extra $X is added to the final amount he will be paid at the end of his collegiate career

add extra incentives for both athletic and academic accomplishments...

All-American
X Award Winner
Academic All-American
Rhodes Scholar

as well as team accomplishments...

conference titles
national titles
final four appearances
ncaa tournament appearances

anything that brings notoriety to the university solely because of the hard work of the athlete

this also gives every single athlete on the team a chance to earn money as a part of the team...the last player off the bench can still earn X amount of dollars by meeting the academic requirements and staying out of trouble

there should also be penalties for failed classes, arrests, class absences and anything else deemed acceptable of a reduction in pay

I also think this really helps smaller universities as well, as players will want to go to a school where they can be "the man" and get his or her jersey made every single year and rack of lots of money at the end of his career, rather than sit on the bench at a perennial powerhouse...thus evening out the balance of power in college athletics and maybe opening up the door for a TCU or Boise St to finally be recognized by the BCS

That might quite possibly be the best plan I have ever heard for athletics. You my friend are much smarter than you look.

Mike Leech head coach at Maryland 2011.